You live in a foreign country" : Thank God I am not an American.

"which is dependent upon America for it's protection and economic survival" : Protection from your enemies or ours?? (last time I checked we didn't have any. We never act as school-yard bullies. We spread love and are peacekeepers. Economic survival? You're kidding right? The Saudis and Chinese don't own us and we are not in a made in America economic slide into oblivion. No Freddie Mac and Fannie May sub prime tactics here man..we have brains!

"You don't vote" : Even if I could, I wouldn't. It'd be useless. Lobbying has replaced voting in the US. Votes don't count. Just ask black voters in Florida in the 2000 election which Gore won.

"You countenance the slaughter of baby seals, you demean and insult the 9/11 families, you express anti-semitic views, etc." : I have done nothing of the sort. Been through this many times. My intent in saying certain things and your nonsensical rants in response are poles apart.

"The Al Qaeda enemy is real and the entire world knows it" : Sure, Al Qaeda is real. Never said it wasn't. Re-read everything I have said(if you read them in the first place). What I did say is that it is STILL a CIA funded "enemy of the United States" that does its' dirty work. It is the new "Ism" to be feared.The top layers of your own Gov't operate at a significantly higher level than those at the bottom layer. In much the same way the pawns and peons are brainwashed into fighting the "infidels" to whom the benefits of such actions accrue anyway. Enemy = protection = military spending = defence contractors = KBR = Halliburton = The Carlyle Group (Bush Snr on board) The list is endless. McCartyism and the communist threat is long gone. Bushism and Terrorism seeks to be permanent. By the way when was the last "terrorist" attack in the US? Did I hear you say almost 7 years? And where is Osama Bin Ladin. Got himself a new camera yet? Did he run out of audio tapes as well? Wanna bet gets gets a fresh supply and a new voice say....one month..two weeks before November elections? Say - just after the kangaroo "terrorist" trials are done in Gitmo and the patsies are sentenced to die? Perfect timing eh??

"sitting in your momas igloo in Manitoba" : Shows the depth of your ignorance about Canada. Igloos were used by the Inuit in the high Arctic. It is now summer in Manitoba where tempratures reach in the 80s and 90s. Even if I did live in one there at this time I would certainly be safe from fore-closure!

Once again baby seal killer, you have no standing to have any meaningful say on what goes on in America. you live in a foreign country . . . (one by the way which is dependent upon America for it's protection and economic survival). You don't vote and what you say is ignored except in forums on the web which are similarly meaningless. You're insignificant.

That having been said, exposing your lunacy is somewhat productive as you are clearly an American hater aside from being a conspiracy wacko. It's fascinating how your political insanity walks hand in hand with your inhumanity and repulsive disdain for those who are oppressed. You countenance the slaughter of baby seals, you demean and insult the 9/11 families, you express anti-semitic views, etc.

The Al Qaeda enemy is real and the entire world knows it. Everyone except pathetic little you sitting in your momas igloo in Manitoba. They attacked us on 9/11, they attacked the Cole, they have launched attacks all over the world against Western democracies like England and Spain, not to mention Africa, Indonesia, etc. Al Qaeda is no figment of American's imagination fool . . . they are real, they have weapons, the plan, they attack.

You, are a lunatic.

Your last sentence sums up how far America has gone with GW Bush: "There is nowhere one can go with an idiot." You also mentioned in a prior comment that he was a hiccup and will be gone in few months. A "hiccup" does not last eight years. No wonder you guys are choking.

And get used to this : the Communist bogeyman has been replaced by the Terrorist bogeyman. America needed a new enemy. Al Qaeda was its' creation and still its' vehicle of fear, control and curtailing of liberties via your "Patriot" Act as a prime example. The hierarchy of Al Qaeda undertands its' role as Americas'++ the Wests' reputed "enemy". The underlings, followers and patsies don't.

You blithering fool; Al Qaeda is our enemy. Where is your source proving you graduated from elementary school? Talking to you is exactly like talking to someone who believes the world is flat. There is nowhere one can go with an idiot.

Your Reading and Comprehension skills are sorely lacking. You display it everytime: What is your source for saying there is no longer a CIA/AlQaeda connection?

What is my source????

Oh my god you moron . . you need a source to know that the USSR was our enemy back then? You need a source to know that we aided the rebels in Afghanistan in resisting the Soviet invaders? You need a source to know that the United States and the Taliban had common interests twenty years ago?

You need a source to know that the sun comes up every morning? I swear, you are unbelievable.

"Facts that make a joke about your contention about CIA/AlQaeda in the 1980s" - found in Encyclopaedia Americana? What makes that statement a fact? What is your source?

Facts that made a joke of your contention about CIA/Qaeda in the 1980's . . .

"The US/CIA connection with Al Qaeda was a long time ago when the world situation was quite different. A child knows that and it has NOTHING to do with today. The USSR was the common enemy, there was the invasion of Afghanistan, etc. We had common interests. Just like we did in WWII when we were allies of Stalin's Soviet Union."

. . . . Moron. You are humiliated once again.

The truth is Bush was just a hiccup and in a few months he's gone. But I understand, you are an America hater and that's all you care about. Typical of delusional Canadians that feel insignificant.

Methinks thou speak of thyself. Don't try and deflect attention. Ain't gonna work.
In addition - you can't handle the truth about your own Governments' actions against its' own people...

Can't handle facts can you. I didn't think so.

Never mind John/Tom et al. As I said initially, you are a waste of time. Try grade school comprehension again and get some treatment for your MPD.

I explained it ad infinitum. What you believe in my opinion is so vile it makes you scum. I have no idea what part of that you don't understand baby seal killer.

The US/CIA connection with Al Qaeda was a long time ago when the world situation was quite different. A child knows that and it has NOTHING to do with today. The USSR was the common enemy, there was the invasion of Afghanistan, etc. We had common interests. Just like we did in WWII when we were allies of Stalin's Soviet Union.

You really should try to better educate yourself little boy before you try to engage adults in a serious conversation. All you do is embarass yourself. Now go play with your imaginary friends.

This is part of YOUR comment I asked you to explain: "You are truly scum of the earth and I apologize to all the other scum for insulting them." I happen to know what scum means. You are simply being evasive.

Just because YOU don't believe something happened does not mean it didn't. All the evidence is there. You can deny til the cows come home.

Are you suggesting that even this event did not happen? : The CIA’s role in laying the foundations of Al Qaeda is confirmed in an 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at the time was National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter. Is everything you read with an opposing view to the official story to be written off as garbage? It is utterly amazing that in the "information age" so many Americans are so poorly informed. You have your corporate-run compliant mainstream media to thank for that.

Whenever you can't answer point by point on ANY issue you choose to debase and insult. Yet you parade as an "intellectual"!

What is there to explain baby seal killer? Anyone who espouses the utterly despicable views that you do . . is scum. You are a lousy human being. Clear enough for you?

Congratulations; you can copy and paste garbage like twelve year olds do on MySpace.

Read this excerpt, Tom - shall I say...An AMERICAN (ex)official admits Al Qaeda was CIA formed and funded. (And why didn't you explain the "scum" comment?)

The following text was first published in Italian in: Giuletto Chiesa (Editor), Zero, Perché la versione ufficiale sull' 11/9 è un Falso [Zero: Why the Official Version on 9/11 is a Falsehood], Piemme, Casale Monferrato, 2007.

A detailed analysis of the relevant issues covered in this article is also contained in the author's book America’s "War on Terrorism", Global Research, 2005

Introduction

One of the main objectives of war propaganda is to "fabricate an enemy". The "outside enemy" personified by Osama bin Laden is "threatening America".

Pre-emptive war directed against "Islamic terrorists" is required to defend the Homeland. Realities are turned upside down. America is under attack.

In the wake of 9/11, the creation of this "outside enemy" has served to obfuscate the real economic and strategic objectives behind the war in the Middle East and Central Asia. Waged on the grounds of self-defense, the pre-emptive war is upheld as a "just war" with a humanitarian mandate.

As anti-war sentiment grows and the political legitimacy the Bush Administration falters, doubts regarding the existence of this illusive "outside enemy" must be dispelled.

Counter-terrorism and war propaganda are intertwined. The propaganda apparatus feeds disinformation into the news chain. The terror warnings must appear to be "genuine". The objective is to present the terror groups as "enemies of America."

Ironically, Al Qaeda --the "outside enemy of America" as well as the alleged architect of the 9/11 attacks-- is a creation of the CIA.

From the outset of the Soviet-Afghan war in the early 1980s, the US intelligence apparatus has supported the formation of the "Islamic brigades". Propaganda purports to erase the history of Al Qaeda, drown the truth and "kill the evidence" on how this "outside enemy" was fabricated and transformed into "Enemy Number One".

The US intelligence apparatus has created it own terrorist organizations. And at the same time, it creates its own terrorist warnings concerning the terrorist organizations which it has itself created. Meanwhile, a cohesive multibillion dollar counterterrorism program "to go after" these terrorist organizations has been put in place.

Portrayed in stylized fashion by the Western media, Osama bin Laden, supported by his various henchmen, constitutes America’s post-Cold war bogeyman, who "threatens Western democracy". The alleged threat of "Islamic terrorists", permeates the entire US national security doctrine. Its purpose is to justify wars of aggression in the Middle East, while establishing within America, the contours of the Homeland Security State.

Historical Background

What are the historical origins of Al Qaeda? Who is Osama bin Laden?

The alleged mastermind behind the 9/11 terrorists attacks, Saudi-born Osama bin Laden, was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war, "ironically under the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders".(Hugh Davies, "`Informers’ point the finger at bin Laden; Washington on alert for suicide bombers." The Daily Telegraph, London, 24 August 1998).

In 1979 the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA was launched in Afghanistan:

"With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI, who wanted to turn the Afghan Jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan’s fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to study in Pakistani madrasahs. Eventually, more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad." (Ahmed Rashid, "The Taliban: Exporting Extremism", Foreign Affairs, November-December 1999).

This project of the US intelligence apparatus was conducted with the active support of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), which was entrusted in channelling covert military aid to the Islamic brigades and financing, in liason with the CIA, the madrassahs and Mujahideen training camps.

U.S. government support to the Mujahideen was presented to world public opinion as a "necessary response" to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal.

The CIA’s military-intelligence operation in Afghanistan, which consisted in creating the "Islamic brigades", was launched prior rather than in response to the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan. In fact, Washington’s intent was to deliberately trigger a civil war, which has lasted for more than 25 years.

The CIA’s role in laying the foundations of Al Qaeda is confirmed in an 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at the time was National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter:

Brzezinski: According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, [on] 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion, this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Call me Tom if you want, I could care less. It's the mark of delusional conspiracy wackos to be paranoid and see demons in the shadows. The CIA sends no $$$ to Al Qaeda you ignorant lunatic and Al Qaeda is not a rag-tag anything, they are a committed, well financed groups of religious and ideological terrorists and fanatics. They planned and attacked us on 9/11 and the entire "intelligent" world knows it and that has zero to do with oil prices. They attacked us because of our policy in Palestine, our troops in their holy lands and our support for right-wing extremist governments that oppress people, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, etc.

You're just not very bright or educated; it's like debating a child.

You are a liar when you say "many" families who lost loved ones on 9/11 are members of the truth movement, there are very few. Those that are are understandably upset and seeking to make sense out of the undefinable pain they feel. Unlike you who do so motivated by hatred for this country, which you are not a citizen of, and your opinion or criticism doesn't matter one whit. You are just a powerless and helpless insignificant voice on the internet; that's all. But you are annoying and possibly dangerous and you should be

John (Methinks thou doth protest too much - it is you) - AL QAEDA IS FINANCED BY YOUR OWN TAX DOLLARS VIA THE CIA. HOW DID A BAND OF RAG-TAG "TERRORISTS" OUTWIT THE CIA,THE FBI,YOUR MILTARY AND THE MOST GUARDED AIRSPACE IN THE WORLD? TERRORISM IS YOUR COUNTRYS' NEW CONTRIVED ENEMY TO KEEP MILTARY SPENDING UP FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND BIG OIL. KNOCK,KNOCK..ANYBODY THERE? lOOK AT THE PROFIT$ THEY ARE MAKING WHILE GOUGING US ALL AT THE PUMPS!!

And, I do not laugh at anyone. Many families who lost loved ones on 9/11 are part of the 9/11 truth movement AND are demanding a new INDEPENDENT investigation into the crime! And IT IS A CRIME!

And can you clarify:"You are truly scum of the earth and I apologize to all the other scum for insulting them." (Taken from your last comment)

My name is not John moron so that makes you delusional right out of the gate. You dare to call someone else delusional! Ha! Ha1 That is the funniest thing I ever heard! You are the one that believes in fairy tales and every insane, lunatic fringe conspiracy imaginable and you call others delusional? LOL!!! You are amazing I will give you that. You are such a far out there wack job I doubt you even are allowed to drive. You're a certifiable nut case!

You are an anti-semite, you support killing baby seals, you like to laugh at and make fun of the families who lost loved ones during 9/11 by suggesting that their own country murdered them. You are truly scum of the earth and I apologize to all the other scum for insulting them.

What the hell are you talking about move on to Russia and China are you completely crazy? We didn't invade Afganistan due to human right violations we did so because the Taliban allowed Al Qaeda safe harbor there to plan their attack on us. What a moron you are now get lost.

You, John are the epitome of delusional thought. Self-delusion to be more precise. You have the temerity to suggest that you are an intellectual? Pleeeezzee give me a break!

When I barely mentioned the Reichstag (arson)fire as a false flag operation by the Nazis in a prior post you turned around and called me anti-semetic!!

In this one - I am simply saying if the US is soooo overly concerned about human rights - why stop at Afghanistan? Move on to Russia and China and free them too! And I alluded to the fact that China makes your cheap goods and Cuba has had an embargo for 50 yrs! AND they are both communist countries.
"Comparing two nuclear powers to Cuba". I wasn't. The two nuclear powers "would be too much of a bite" - is waht I said. Please read and comprehend before commenting! Your often inane comments and off-base comparisons become quite a stretch for a pseudo-intellectual...

I understand that when I intellectually decimate your pathetic arguments as I routinely do you have no recourse but to turn into a paranoid stalker. I am one person and none of those names applies to me but whatever blows your skirt up little delusional man.

You are a lunatic who believes in insane conspiracy theories, killing baby seals and hating America. Not to mention your abject political naivete comparing two nuclear powers to Cuba. What a fool you are, really.

You responded as John before-but not with your surname? WNTW/SPig/John E/+ whatever else you parade as on this web-site - you have no answer to my last comment?
You are indeed, a fraud!

"You are so ignorant I can't even have a conversation with you...you are comparing Cuba and China???? Did China have nuclear ICBM's 90 miles from our shore and an alliance with our enemy the USSR? You are surreal."

Your(utterly unbelievable) words John Ehrenfeld. Kettle calling the pot black? How long ago was that incident? ICMBs - hmmmm and - 90 miles from your shores? What I alluded to my clearly un-educated friend - is the total hypocrisy of the US. Getting cheap, often lead-laden products (and toys) from China and ostracizing Cuba for 50 years...

Afganistan and safe haven for Al Qaeda? After the Soviets were beaten back by the CIA funded Muhajadeen & Al Qaeda and after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Berlin wall - your country found a new ISM - terrorism. Not that it never existed before! They "harnessed" it and made a new "enemy without borders". Without enemies and wars how can you guys sell your arms and sell fear?

Protect Canada in WW1 and 11??? We stood our own two feet in both!! Read real history - not made in America. The US entered WW 11 two years after it started after the attack on Pearl Harbor(US foreknowledge of the event is documented)American support waxed then as it did after 9/11.

The US was and IS the greatest country in the world? Pls make up your mind.

The perpetrators of deception and horror will be gone in a few months? You would like to think so! The puppeteers and profiteers will still be there. Dems or GOP - don't make a darn difference.

My name is not John fool. We suffered through a disastrous administration and it's almost over. The United States was and is the greatest country in the world, as is evidenced by the millions upon millions of people who stream to our shores endlessly. We are not in a self-destruct mode, we are in a getting better mode.

Of course Afghanistan and Iraq are not moral equivalence even though hate-America foreigners like you endeavor to make it so. Of coursze Iraq was a disastrous mistake and those that perpertrated that deception and horror on the US and the world will be gone in a few months.

Slingshot? Can you be so stupid? Afghanistan's threat was not a standing army, it was the Taliban giving safe harbor and support to Al Qaeda and training camps and a place to stage from. I am outraged about much of what goes on in the world. What the hell are you doing in Canada? Nothing you are just a big mouth and can do so knowing that the first time anyone did harm to Canada we would protect you like we have always done for the free world. Or I suppose WWI and WWII were meaningless?

You are so ignorant I can't even have a conversation with you...you are comparing Cuba and China???? Did China have nuclear ICBM's 90 miles from our shore and an alliance with our enemy the USSR? You are surreal.

You, John are a WOT. Or, a WOMT!!

I do not want or wish the destruction of the United States. You guys do. Your country is in self-destruct mode and you and your fellow-men are willing, unwary spectators to your own demise. How long, pray tell, my brain-washed friend, does an Empire last? Remember, YOUR government is the one that aspires for "Full Spectrum Dominance". THAT is not a fairy tale. The official version of 9/11 is. But I won't go into that with you. We have beaten that one to death in the past.

So, Mr Analysis - the invasion of Afghanistan was justified? In YOUR opinion, do you feel the same way about Iraq? If not, why not?

As for Afghanistan attacking the US..with what? A slingshot?(shades of David and Goliath!) Aircraft carriers and subs? Soviet-era Migs? Remember - if you can go past ten days..that is the same Taliban that met Dubya in 2000 - to discuss a pipeline deal that was on the table since the Clinton years. Deal fell through. Then 9/11 came. Afghanistan was hit in Nov 2001 and Iraq in March 2003. But the toppling of Saddam Hussein was on the table as soon as Bush became President in Jan 2001. THAT is documented.

Your Gov't got two for the price of one. Oil was the end game. Who ever died didn't matter. Never has. The trigger was 9/11.

Do you remember Tianamen Square? Are you looking at present-day Tibet and the Dalai Lama? You seem outraged at the Taliban shooting women and say great! We did the right thing! You, and so many Americans display selective outrage. Why has the US never marched on in their "liberation quest" to China or Russia? Too big of a bite? They can fight back? What are you wearing now? Is it Made In China? The Tee shirt? The running shoes? The computer you use? The mouse? Why an embargo against Cuba for over 50 years? Are they BOTH COMMUNIST countries?

Whatever you have foolishly believed all these years is your business. Facts always speak for themselves. I am, not by any means, asserting that I am the source of these facts. They are in books, articles,magazines and various non- mainstream media.

You have the means. Find them...

What an abject fool you are, once again. A one-trick conspiratorial pony who get's off hating America from Canada and believing in the tooth fairy. How the hell do you know what Secret Service policy is? You don't know do you? You are an arrogant louse to suggest that 9-11 was self-inflicted.

The war in Afghanistan was justified you despicable cretin. But then again why would the Taliban plotting to attack the United States while they are shooting women in the heads in soccer stadiums bother you? After all, the destruction of the United States in what you want.

9/11 fit the Neo-Con agenda because it WAS on their list of things to do. Look at GWBs' expression on the morning of 9/11 while doing a pet goat story in a class-room far away from the scene of the CRIME Hmmmm..it finally got done.

Secret Service agents should have whisked him away..After Andy Card whispered in his ear he sat there for 7-8 mins. Should have immediately cancelled his "class" and be taken away. He and his insiders did nothing as they KNEW he was safe as it WAS on their agenda and THAT "mission" was accomplished! They got their "Licence" to invade and kill...

The next day, with people still buried and others in the throes of death in the rubble of the WTC complex, Bush stood above them with a bull-horn declaring: "We will avenge this" Soon after 9/11 he had a 78% approval rating and with the majority of Americans supporting him, he went to "war" in Afghanistan. About one and a half years later he launched a war on Iraq based solely on outright lies and deception - again with huge support...

Naomi Klein, you are an absolutely astonishing writer. 9/11 happened explicitely for their agenda in everything that's happened since then.

Don't ever stop doing what you're doing, Naomi.